From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:28:18 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:27:59 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:20:56 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!sics.se!fuug!mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!conrad From: tharr!conrad (Conrad Longmore) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Re: We Must Rescue Gorbachev !!! Message-Id: <2551@tharr.UUCP> Date: 19 Aug 91 20:41:49 GMT References: <45796@cup.portal.com> Reply-To: tharr!conrad (Conrad Longmore) Organization: Public Usenet Access Lines: 21 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO In article <45796@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: >So how about it? Is there anything we can do to help? >If it involves writing letters, please include addresses. Outside pressure won't bring Gorby back into power. What we *need* to do is make sure that Yeltsin remains free. Possibly Gorby-loyal Soviet forces may try to rescue Gorbachev. I'm not sure of the legal situation, but I think he's still legally President and Secretary-General. If he can get out to some non-aligned nation he may be able to exert pressure via world media (ie BBC World Service, Voice of America etc). Maybe Amnesty can arrange something. I think it would be futile though. -- // Conrad Longmore / Uucp: ..!ukc!axion!tharr!conrad / Owner of a 2CV // // Bedford College / Janet: tharr!conrad @ uk.ac.ukc / Owner of a 2CV // //-----------------/ Or try: conrad @ tharr.uucp / Much better than a // // ** T H A R R ** /---------------------------------/ Owner of a Sky TV // // +44 234 841503 / Free access to Usenet in the UK /--------------------// From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:29:57 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:29:40 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:23:02 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!unido!math.fu-berlin.de!ira.uka.de!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sample.eng.ohio-state.edu!purdue!haven.umd.edu!cs.wvu.wvnet.edu!wvnvms.wvnet.edu!un033324 From: un033324@wvnvms.wvnet.edu Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: CANCEL of REVOLT ARCHIVES Message-Id: <1991Aug20.002508.1736@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> Date: 20 Aug 91 05:02:42 GMT Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing Lines: 9 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO I'm sorry to say that I cannot archive the revolt documents. I could not allocate the disk space, and the administrada is bieng quite adamant about not expanding my disk space. Sorry to raise hopes.... I can, however store all tech files mailed to me, and when possible, i will do my best to set up an anon ftp site where it can be retrieved... Thank you... Avery Glasser Amg0954%ceo@asv2.wvnet.edu / un033324@wvnvaxa.bitnet From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:30:34 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:30:17 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:23:24 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!dde!ct From: ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Will the get Yeltsin today? Message-Id: <1991Aug20.063213.12496@dde.dk> Date: 20 Aug 91 06:32:13 GMT Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S Lines: 12 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO I heard radio Moscow's morning news at 8:00 a.m. (Moscow time) today (20th August). They said that there is going to be an extraordinary session of the supreme soviet of the Russian Federation tomorrow, August 21. Does the fact that this meeting was announced in the official news imply that the coup-makers expect to have control over Yeltsin and his followers today? -- Claus Tondering | To do is to be. -- Nietzsche. Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark| To be is to do. -- Sartre. E-mail: ct@dde.dk | Doo be doo be doo be. -- Sinatra. From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:31:10 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:30:49 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:23:30 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!dde!kbe From: kbe@dde.dk (Kjeld Borch Egevang) Newsgroups: eunet.politics Subject: Re: Coup in the Soviet Union Message-Id: <1991Aug20.073617.16518@dde.dk> Date: 20 Aug 91 07:36:17 GMT References: <1991Aug19.150828.14923@ida.liu.se> Distribution: eunet Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S Lines: 31 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO uda@ida.liu.se (Ulf Dahlen) writes: >The coup in the Soviet Union is really shocking! Did anyone of you >expect this now? And the way it happened? I must admit I'm not all that surprised. Sjevardnadse (spelling?) said, as he withdrew, that a dictatorship was likely. The Soviet people has enormous problems. A friend of mine was in Moscow, and told me about how things work. It seems nobody is motivated to trade and make society work. I guess the biggest crime of the communists was to kill all initiatives. >I've heard many Soviet analysts (both western and from the Soviet >Union itself) say that the change toward democrarcy is irreversible. >Now is the real test! I doubt they (the military, KGB etc) will pull >it off, but then I didn't think the crackdown in Poland (was it 81?) >would last for more than a year or so... I hope the Soviet will be democratic and free in the future, but for now I believe it's not possible. People are too hungry for TV's and all that's western. They aren't rich enough to build up a society as we know it. Maybe a dictatorship could improve the industry (can it be worse?) and give some wealth - then a free democracy would be more likely. But I'm afraid this is a naive hope. | UUCP: kbe@dde.dk | __| __| __ | (Kjeld Borch Egevang) | / | / | /__\ | Dansk Data Elektronik, Denmark | \_/ \_/ \__ From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:31:43 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:31:27 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:23:49 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!jlg0805 From: jlg0805@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jie Liang (Kommissar)) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Mobilize the Mass Keywords: soviet, peaceful resistence Message-Id: <1991Aug20.065828.196@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 20 Aug 91 06:58:28 GMT Sender: usenet@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (News) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 78 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO This is a sad moment for many people. However, I think it is also the right time for people to take actions. Judging from a Chinese student 's experience learned from June 4 Tiananmen Massacre, I hope the following thoughts may be useful. I also hope netters will provide their precious "what-to-do" in addition to curiosity on "what-happened". I believe that each of us can do something to help the Soviet people by taking actions. 1. Most decisive factor lies in the Soviet Union. Western sympathy amounts to little in changing the situation in USSR. As time goes on, Kissinger's geopolitics will take the upper hand in US policy. Depending on how the "committee" is performing, the US could completely abandon its current position and try to strike a deal with the "committee" to best pursue American interests. The Soviet people are their own savior. (US policy towards Baltic nations and China are good example). 2. It is sad truth that "political power comes from barrel of guns". However, Soviet people has tremendous power in their hand. The crucial questions now for Soviet people is to be organized and to mobilize the mass - workers, farmer, government employees. Win the people's support. This is very clear from the statement made by the mititary chief in Leningrad, "all strikes will be illegal". That is what they are afraid of. B. Yeltsin made the right step to call workers to strike - this power is stronger than tanks in the long run. 3. The implementation of the strike plan need a large amout of determined and enthusiastic activists ( which should not be a problem ). They should be organized and map up the strategy to moblized the people: how many shoud stay in streets to protest, how many should go to the shipyard to persuade the workers to join the strike, how many should go to the farms, etc. Workers, students, farmer should start their own union, and go on strike. There is a good example set by the Korean students who managed to stir up workers in big factory (Hyundae, Goldstar, etc), and a bad example set by Chinese students who fail to win the massive support from workers although the students were fairly well organized themselves in the early stage. Czech students also went to factory in a very early stage. 4. I truly believe arm-chair intellectuals' educated guesses are very harmful at this stage, because that waste time and energy if their comments are misleading. Only people in the Western-media like Larry King will be able to capitalize in that. 5. Overseas Soviet citizens and emigrants should also be organized, the sooner the better. Only after you are organized can you be weighed on the balance of the "committee" and President Bush's mind. Start local rallies to educate Americans. Although at this moment they are very sympathetic , very soon their attention will be shifted away. Win grass-root support and lobby the local congressmen and the Capitol as a whole to achieve whatever US foreign policy can possibly achieve for the Soviet people. This task seems to be easy right now but may be hard in the long run. 6. Right now, telephones, faxes, post-mail should be poured in the USSR to let people know the truth. Do not let the "committee"s propaganda blindfold too many people. Point out clearly what are the weaknese of the junta and what are the strong power people have in their own-hands. And urge them to organize. At this heavy historic moment, Chinese people are standing by the Soviet people. -Jie Liang a campaign to let people inside the USSR to know the truth and how the world is reacting. -- Jie Liang ("Kommisar") Phone:(217)333-2435 156 Davenport Hall Usenet:jlg0805@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 607 S.Matthews Ave jie@tgevax.life.uiuc.edu Urbana, IL 61801 "Working Hard Advancing Science to U.S.A. Corrupt the Mind." -- Black Uhuru From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:32:21 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:32:00 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:24:25 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!anasaz!qip!john From: john@anasaz (John Moore) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Re: The coup, information, and coverage Message-Id: <1991Aug19.211455.9876@anasaz> Date: 19 Aug 91 21:14:55 GMT References: <35056@hydra.gatech.EDU> Organization: Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, Az Lines: 17 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO In article <35056@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1111a@prism.gatech.EDU (Vincent Fox) writes: ]There are a lot of things that really stick in my craw about this whole ]thing. Number 1 would be that we could have possibly averted all this ]by some shipments of wheat, some tractors, and some experts. But NOOOO... ]Wouldn't be prudent, gotta wait for more reforms before we think about ]helping the Soviets. Sure it would have cost billions, but considerably ]less than all those new weapons our military will now want to buy. All evidence points to the coup to reject the union treaty. Our aid would have had no effect on that. Why don't you take your AMERICAN politcs to talk.politics or misc.headlines. -- John Moore HAM:NJ7E/CAP:T-Bird 381 {ames!ncar!noao!asuvax,mcdphx}!anasaz!john USnail: 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale,AZ 85253 anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu Voice: (602) 951-9326 Wishful Thinking: Long palladium, Short Petroleum Opinion: Support ALL of the bill of rights, INCLUDING the 2nd amendment! Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are all my fault, and no one elses. From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:33:31 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:33:14 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:24:49 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!convex!egsner!europa!tom From: europa!tom (Tom Kimball) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Analysis of the outcome of the coup. Keywords: What will the coup outcome be? Message-Id: <1991Aug20.035126.5358@europa.UUCP> Date: 20 Aug 91 03:51:26 GMT Organization: Moria Mining Guild (BBS) -- Dallas, Texas, USA Lines: 106 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO After hearing about the events which may some day be called the Second Bolshevik Revolution, I think one of the most interesting questions is this: What will be the future outcome of the coup? For purposes of this analysis, two assumptions are made. 1. The coup leaders would like to return to something resembling the way things were in the Brezhnev era, at least in political matters. 2. It is not possible to return to the way things were in the Brezhnev era. Given this contradiction, what will actually happen? Here are my own speculations as of 10:00 CST Monday. (Subject to change with the next news bulleten.) - Until Yeltsin is captured, killed, or gone underground, the coup will not completely succeed. He is the key. He may attract enough civilian and military resistance to defeat the coup. This could be done either by massive nonviolent civilian resistance (strikes, demonstrations, blockades of key Moscow real estate, winning the allegance of the military) or by violent civilian and military resistance. Even if he fails, a massive underground resistance to the new regime could develop. If the coup fails ... - Yeltsin has as much a chance as Gorbachev of becoming the new Soviet leader. The would be because (A) he would have played a key role in the defeat of the coup. (B) with the conservatives defeated, their would be no holding back the democrats. - The Communist Party could disappear as fast as it did in Rumania. If the coup succeeds ... - Most of the republican governments will be replaced. The Russian and the breakaway governments will be the first to go. The replacement of other governments (Ukraine) may may take longer and be done more subtly. Some governments in conservative Moslem republics may actually survive. - Eastern Europe will not be retaken. Things have gone to far here. The one danger point is that the Soviet Union has not yet agreed to a timetable to withdraw forces from Poland. - Guerrilla resistance will break out in some republics, and possibly in Russia itself. A major scale civil war is also possible. - The START agreement is in serious jeapardy. The reason is that the Supreme Soviet has not yet ratified the agreement, so they are not legally bound to adhere to the agreement. Looks like nuclear weapons have made a comeback. The conventional forces treaty, as I understand, is already in force, and will likely be honored. - The legitimacy of the Communist Party will never quite be what it was before. The military has for the first time played a larger role in the selection of the leadership than the Party. The new leader Yanayev is not the Party General Secretary, and is not even a Politburo member. The public has indicated in published opinion polls that they do not prefer the Communist Party, and everyone knows this. The power of the party is clearly weakened compared with the power of the army and KGB. The new regime will not necessarily return political power to the Politburo. (If they do, it won't be until they install themselves in the new Politburo.) If they leave power in the hands of the Presidency, this will further weaken the Party in relation to the government. Interestingly, the new regime has banned "activities of political parties". No doubt this is an attempt to restore the Communist monopoly on political power, but, at least officially, the Communist Party is itself banned for the first time since 1917. - Ideology will be less important than before and nationalism will be more important. The Communist ideology has been somewhat discredited, and, as stated before, the Party is seriously weakened. Since ideology will be less useful in propping up the government, nationalism will be more useful. - The new regime will not last in the long run, say 10 years. Quite possibly, a prolonged period of instability will ensue in which leaders are typically replaced through coups. The democrats will have a good chance of recapturing power at some point. Here are my estimates of the following probabilities at this time. 45% Probability the coup will fail within a week. 20% Probability of a major civil war erupting in the next month. 85% Probability of some kind of political violence. If the coup succeeds: 90% Probability of guerrilla resistence in breakaway republics such as Georgia 40% Probability of guerrilla resistence in the Russian Republic 25% Probability the new regime will honor the START agreement 65% Probability the new regime will honor the treaty on conventional forces 5% Probability the new regime will reassert some Soviet control of Eastern Europe 0.5% Probability the new Union treaty will be signed -- Tom Kimball tom%europa@egsner.cirr.com From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:35:17 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:34:57 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:26:47 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!hollie.rdg.dec.com!decuk.uvo.dec.com!ketje.enet.dec.com!dierick From: dierick@ketje.enet.dec.com (Dominique Dierick) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: The West missed an opportunity Message-Id: <1991Aug20.090921.4616@decuk.uvo.dec.com> Date: 20 Aug 91 09:09:21 GMT Sender: usenet@decuk.uvo.dec.com (News Account) Reply-To: dierick@ketje.enet.dec.com (Dominique Dierick) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 45 Nntp-Posting-Host: ketje Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO When I hear president Bush and prime minister Major demand the re-installation of Gorbatchov I find it kind of hypocrite. For years Gorbatchov has asked for financial support but he really got peanuts from us. The German cancellor Kohl was the only one willing to support fully. Now it is too late again. If we had given Gorbatchov our full support, hewould have been more popular in the Soviet Union and the hard liners wouldn't have found support for their coup. Let's be realistic. I have watched BBC last night and there are NO signs of massive resistance. A couple of thousand people on the streets is not what is going to stop the junta in power now. The people in the SU, especially in major cities have lack of food and essential medical care, that's what they will remember most from the Gorbatchov time. For most of them everything is better then Gorbatchov. If people don't have to fight daily for survival they will have the time to be busy with politics. I am affraid there is not much we can do to help the people there. We can stop our tiny little bit of financial suppport we do give to the SU, but that won't make a difference. What else can be done ? Going in with armed forces ? You got to be joking ! Military the SU is not a third world country. The only thing we can hope for is that there won't get people killed. Peace for you over there ! Had to give my impression on this sad event, and these are my personal impressions... Dominique ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ name : Dominique Dierick address : Digital Equipment Corporation Luchtschipstraat 1 Brussels Belgium email : dierick@ketje.enet.dec.com From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:35:50 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:35:33 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:27:21 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!bionet!ig!cleveland.freenet.edu!ai260 From: ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu ("J. Fisher") Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: putsch Message-Id: <9108200608.AA21723@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 20 Aug 91 06:08:11 GMT Sender: news@presto.ig.com Reply-To: ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu Lines: 22 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO Most all reports have been calling it a ''coup'' but it may be more accurate to use the term, ''putsch'' (rhymes with ''butch''). from Webster's Third International Unabridged, 1966: ---------------------------------------------------- putsch: a secretly plotted and suddenly executed attempt to overthrow a government or governing body. (related terms:) putschism: the advocacy or organization of a putsch. putschist: one who advocates or organizes a putsch. ---------------------------------------------------- JF ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu -or- ai260%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm May you not live in times of change. --Chinese proverb From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:36:26 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:36:10 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:27:35 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!piet From: piet@NIC.EU.net (Piet Beertema) Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.soviet Subject: More from USSR Message-Id: <3593@mcsun.eu.net> Date: 20 Aug 91 09:47:48 GMT Followup-To: talk.politics.soviet Organization: EurOpen Lines: 121 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO Forwarded "as is". -piet Organization: DEMOS, Moscow, USSR From: dvv@hq.demos.su (Dmitry V. Volodin) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 91 21:20:13 +0300 (MSD) Subject: Yeltsin's decree Please redistribute as wide as possible the followin in stripped Russian and an approximate translation to English. It'll ber fine, if this reachs world information agencies. Thank you. Dima ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ukaz PREZIDENTA rOSSIJSKOJ fEDERATIWNOJ sOUIALISTI^ESKOJ RESPUBLIKI pREDPRINQTA POPYTKA GOSUDARSTWENNOGO PEREWOROTA, OTSRANEN OT DOLVNOSTI pREZIDENT sssr, QWLQ@]IJSQ wERHOWNYM gLAWNOKOMANDU@]IM wOORUVENNYH sIL sssr. wICE-PREZIDENT sssr, pREMXER-MINISTR sssr, PREDSEDATELX kgb sssr, mINISTRY oBORONY I wNUTRENNIH DEL sssr WO[LI W ANTIKONSTITUCIONNYJ ORGAN, SOWER[IW TEM SAMYM GOSUDARSTWENNOE PRESTUPLENIE. w REZULXTATE \TIH DEJSTWIJ DEQTELXNOSTX ZAKONNOIZBRANNOJ ISPOLNITELXNOJ WLASTI sO@ZA ssr OKAZALASX PARALIZOWANNOJ. w SLOVIW[EJSQ ^EREZWY^AJNOJ SITUACII POSTANOWLQ@: 1. dO SOZYWA WNEO^EREDNOGO s_EZDA NARODNYH DEPUTATOW sssr WSE ORGANY ISPOLNITELXNOJ WLASTI sO@ZA ssr, WKL@^AQ kgb sssr, mwd sssr, mINISTERSTWO OBORONY sssr, DEJSTWU@]IE NA TERRITORII sssr, PEREHODQT W NEPOSREDSTWENNOE POD^INENIE IZBRANNOGO NARODOM pREZIDENTA rsfsr. 2. kOMITETU GOSUDARSTWENNOJ BEZOPASNOSTI rsfsr, mINISTERSTWU WNUTRENNIH DEL rsfsr, gOSUDARSTWENNOMU KOMITETU rsfsr PO OBORONNYM WOPROSAM WREMENNO OSU]ESTWLQTX FUNKCII SOOTWETSTWC@]IH ORGANOW sO@ZA ssr NA TERRITORII rsfsr. wSE TERRITORIALXNYE I INYE ORGANY mwd, kgb I mINISTERSTWO OBORONY NA TERRITORII rsfsr OBQZANY NEMEDLENNO ISPOLNQTX UKAZY I RASPORQVENIQ pREZIDENTA rsfsr, sOWETA MINISTROW rsfsr, PRIKAZY kgb rsfsr, mwd rsfsr, gOSUDARSTWENNOGO KOMITETA rsfsr PO OBORONNYM WOPROSAM. 3. wSEM ORGANAM, DOLVNOSTNYM LICAM, GRAVDANAM rsfsr PRINQTX NEZAMED- LITELXNYE MERY K TOMU, ^TOBY ISKL@^ITX WYPOLNENIE L@BYH RE[ENIJ I RASPORQVENIJ ANTIKONSTITUCIONNOGO kOMITETA PO ^EREZWY^AJNOMU POLOVENI@. dOLVNOSTNYE LICA, WYPOLNQ@]IE RE[ENIQ UKAZANNOGO KOMITETA, OTSTRANQ@TSQ OT ISPOLNENIQ SWOIH OBQZANNOSTEJ W SOOTWETSTWIE S KONSTI- TUCIEJ rsfsr. oRGANAM pROKURATURY rsfsr NEMEDLENNO PRINIMATX MERY DLQ PRIWLE^ENIQ UKAZANNYH LIC K UGOLOWNOJ OTWETSTWENNOSTI. pREZIDENT rsfsr b.eLXCIN mOSKWA, kREMLX 19 AWGUSTA 1991 GODA N 61 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DECREE of the President of the Russian Federative Socialist Republic An attempt of a coup d'etat was taken, the President of the USSR, who is the Commander-in-Chief of the Soviet Army, was dismissed from his post. The Vice President of the USSR, the Prime Minister of the USSR, the Chairman of the Committee on the State Security (KGB) of the USSR, Ministers of Defence and Internal Affairs of the USSR formed an unconstitutional body, therefore commiting a state crime. As a result of this action the activity of constitutional executive power of the USSR was paralised. In this situation I decree: 1. Until the emergency Congress of the People's Deputies of the USSR is taken all bodies of the executive power of the USSR, including the KGB, Internal Ministry, Ministry of Defence, acting on the territory of the RSFSR, are taken under the submission of the President of the RSFSR, elected by the people. 2. The KGB of the RSFSR, Internal Ministry of the RSFSR, State Committee of the RSFSR on Defence Problems are prescribed to temporary execute the functions of the corresponding bodies of the USSR on the territory of the RSFSR. All the territory and other bodies of the Internal Ministry, KGB and Defence Ministry on the territory of the RSFSR immediately have to obide decrees and orders of the President of the RSFSR, the Consil of Ministers of the RSFSR, the orders of the KGB of the RSFSR, the Internal Ministry of the RSFSR, the State COmmettee of the RSFSR on Defence Problems. 3. All executive bodies, persons and citizens of the RSFSR have to take immediate actions to prevent the execution of any decrees and orders of the unconstitutional Commettee on Emergency Situation. Executive persons, obiding orders of this commettee, are dismissed from their posts in accordance with the Constitution of the RSFSR. Bodies of the Procurature of the USSR have to immediately take actions to enforce the criminal law onto this persons. The President of the RSFSR B.Yeltsin Moscow, Kremlin August 19, 1991 # 61 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:36:59 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:36:43 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:27:51 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!sics.se!fuug!demos!news-server From: korotay@kremvax.hq.demos.su (korotaev) Newsgroups: relcom.politics,talk.politics.soviet Subject: 20.08.91 11:45 Message-Id: Date: 20 Aug 91 08:55:27 GMT Sender: news-server@kremvax.hq.demos.su Reply-To: korotay@kremvax.hq.demos.su Organization: DEMOS, Moscow, USSR Lines: 5 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO mOSKWA 20.08.91 11^AS. 45MIN. oT ZDANIQ dOMA pRAWITELXSTWA rsfsr SOOB]ILI, ^TO rQZANSKAQ, tULXSKAQ I tAMANSKAQ DIWIZII PERE[LI NA STORONU PRAWITELXSTWA rOSSII. From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:38:44 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:38:28 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:28:45 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!manuel!csc2.anu.edu.au!cmf851 From: cmf851@csc2.anu.edu.au (Albert Langer) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Irresolute Coup? Message-Id: <1991Aug20.100459.20092@newshost.anu.edu.au> Date: 20 Aug 91 10:04:59 GMT Sender: news@newshost.anu.edu.au Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia. Lines: 88 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO Yeltsin and the Russian Federation's rejection of the right wing coup seems more resolute than I would have given the wimpy Russian "democrats" credit for. But the coup itself seems strangely irresolute. As I write there are reports of crowds being allowed to assemble in a mass demonstration against the coup, surrounded by tanks and armoured personnel carriers to intimidate them, but without force being used to disperse them. I find that strange. The coup is being mounted from within the heart of the state power itself - the KGB and military, primarily to stop the unravelling of the nomenklatura's power (and timed specifically to prevent the signing of the new union treaty and to present the forthcoming party central committee meeting with a fait accompli). To succeed, the right wing MUST demonstrate that they REALLY ARE prepared to rule by armed force - after all, they have NO other source of "legitimacy". Without large scale bloodshed, one could only expect to ACCELERATE the breakaway of union republics, AND the undermining of the right wing's power bases. Perhaps we are about to see that bloodshed. If so the regime may well survive at least for it's six months "emergency" period since neither military mutinies, nor popular armed revolts can be organized quickly against military repression. But in the long run the right wingers are doomed by the simple fact that they have no program. The economy will continue falling to bits, even faster, and promises to raise wages and lower prices may help encourage apathy now but will only highlight the regime's bankruptcy in a few months time when the reverse has happened. If instead the standoff continues without major bloodshed, then this coup could turn out to be just another "armed demonstration" like the earlier coup mounted in the Baltic Republics, which quietly faded away. It would have forced postponement of the union treaty, and asserted the nomenklatura's continued importance, without actually transferring full power, and with it, full RESPONSIBILITY to the right wingers. (Why ANYBODY would want to be responsible for the Government of the Soviet Union at this particular time remains as mysterious as why anybody wanted that responsibility in Poland, but people do.) Certainly the new regime has made more than adequate preparations for a compromise. Gorbachov is about as unpopular within the Soviet Union as he is popular outside it. Yet instead of announcing that he has been shot, or at least faces trial for dismantling the Soviet empire in Eastern Europe, undermining the unity of the Soviet Union itself and wrecking the Soviet economy (with optional exposures of being a CIA agent), they have merely announced that he is "unwell". Obviously being "unwell" is a condition that could be merely temporary. Likewise Yeltsin is permitted to issue manifestoes declaring the new regime illegal, from his HQ in the Russian Federation Parliament building right in the heart of Moscow, surrounded by his own tanks! A resolute coup would have gone beyond seizing the Radio and TV stations to at least smashing through those tanks (a mere dozen or so) and the crowds around them (a mere few thousand), to arrest Yeltsin. Again, perhaps they will do so shortly, but it appears they are holding out hope of a compromise. It is to be hoped that the democrats will go further than their militant denunciations of the conspirators and actually proceed to ARREST all supporters of the coup at a local level. Unfortunately that would make THEM responsible for the Government of the Soviet Union, which may not be what they really want. If they don't, and just continue to denounce, and the right-wingers continue holding out for a compromise, Soviet politics will become even more bizarre and unpredictable than it has been. The black colonels program of suppressing all political parties (including the Communist Party) and privatizing the economy under martial law could conceivably work for a while (as it has in China and Chile). But so far the sponsors of the coup have not adopted that program, perhaps because they realize that it too ultimately leads nowhere. "Things fall apart, the center cannot hold, mere anarchy is loosed upon the world. The blood-dimmed tide is loosed and everywhere, the ceremony of innocence is drowned. The best lack all conviction while the worst are filled with passionate indignation. Surely some revelation is at hand..." (Yeats) From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:39:21 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:39:01 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:29:04 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!decwrl!sgi!cdp!jsax From: cdp!jsax Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Update Alert, August 19, 1991 Message-Id: <1483700007@cdp> Date: 20 Aug 91 01:09:00 GMT Lines: 132 Nf-Id: #N:cdp:1483700007:000:6657 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jsax Aug 19 18:09:00 1991 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO From: Subject: Update Alert, August 19, 1991 /* Written 5:39 pm Aug 19, 1991 by sncrom in cdp:fcnl.updates */ /* ---------- "Update Alert, August 19, 1991" ---------- */ FCNL TELEPHONE TAPE - August 19, 1991 This is the Friends Committee on National Legislation, with a special alert on the coup in the Soviet Union. This message was prepared at 5 p.m. on Monday, August 19. This information replaces the message record- ed on August 2. To hear legislative updates on other topics, or to speak with a staff member, call (202) 547-6000. The Soviet Union--Military Coup: On Sunday August 18, a military coup deposed President Mikhail Gorbachev. Initial reports said that Vice-President Gennady Yanayev took over because of Gorbachev's health. Yanayev announced an immediate six-month "state of emergency" because, he said, the country had become "ungovernable." The Soviet military may attempt to install a right wing government. Rumors of a right wing conspiracy abounded for months. The planned Tuesday, August 20 date for signing the New Union Treaty may account for the timing of this coup. The New Union Treaty would change the sovereignty relationship between the federal government and the several Republics. The right wing has wanted to preempt this fundamental political reform. At this time, we have no information about the location or safety of President Gorbachev. Boris Yeltsin, president of the Russian Republic, has denounced the take over, called for a civil strike, declared that he will take civilian control of the military, and called on all Soviet people to oppose the junta government. At a press conference called Monday morning, August 19, President Bush expressed extreme regret at this "unconstitutional" take over. West European governments have made similar responses. The East European governments have expressed opposition and grave concern. The United Nations Security Council is meeting now (Monday August 19) to determine a course of action. The Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe (the CSCE or Helskini Process) has not yet convened to consider these events. Saddam Hussein, president of Iraq, hailed the coup and expressed the hope that the Soviet Union would reverse its new foreign policy directions. The Soviet coup raises a number of concerns: o immediate security within the Soviet Union and Europe o the future of the Helsinki process, the Strategic Arms Reduction (START) Treaty, the Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) treaty, and the Arab-Israeli-Palestinian peace process. o the command and control of the Soviet nuclear weapons arsenal, and the future of worldwide arms sales by both the Soviets and the U.S. o the ability of the U.N. Security Council to cooperate on international responses to regional conflicts, and o the impact of the coup on the economy of the Soviet Union and Soviet people's need for humanitarian assistance. FCNL believes that it is imperative to support the movements and processes which have given rise to emerging democratic reforms in Eastern Europe. We believe that the international community should strongly disapprove the illegal and unconstitutional usurpation of power in the Soviet Union through the military coup. We urge the United States and the international community to take assertive, non-military initiatives through the United Nations and the CSCE forums to challenge the new junta and to support democratic movements in the Soviet Union. Neither the UN nor the CSCE should easily lend legitimacy to the new junta. ACTION: 1. Urge President Bush and members of Congress to condemn strongly military coup. Change in government by the use of violent force should never be tolerated, particularly not at the end of the 20th Century; 2. Urge U.S. leaders to exercise military restraint in reacting to this event. No direct intervention--covert or military--should be undertaken. The U.S. should not slip back into old Cold War military postures. 3. Personal contacts - Now is a time to activate all possible channels of communication with our contacts in the Soviet Union. It is very important that people inside the Soviet Union hear messages of concern and support for democratic reforms. They must not feel isolated and abandoned at this moment of tribulation. As we continue to monitor these confusing events in coming weeks, there may be channels for further action to support emerging democratic reforms in the Soviet Union, to continue to recognize legitimate, political leadership and movements, to work through the United Nations and the CSCE processes to aid in the peaceful resolution of the internal conflict, to coordinate responses of the international community, and to restore legitimate leadership to power. As way opens to support these objectives, the FCNL will encourage further action. This concludes FCNL's message. We will continue to monitor the situation and will update this message as needed. In addition, the FCNL has received the following press release from Representative Ronald V. Dellums CA. We recommend it to you and your organizations: -- Dellums Reacts to News of Coup in Soviet Union-- Representative Ron Dellums (D. -8th C.D. California) today expressed sadness and dismay upon learning of the military coup in the Soviet Union. Dellums said, "The news of this extra-constitutional and sudden change of power in the Soviet Union is cause for deep concern. As we wait for further news of developments, we have reason to be anxious over the unstable situation and the possibility of violent confrontations. "The appearance of a hard-line regime taking the place of the reformist government of President Mikhail S. Gorbachev is particularly troublesome. We shall have to wait and see if, and to what extent, they intend to roll back the social reforms that Gorbachev has been able to accomplish in the past several years. It has been the hope of the world that the dire economic and political problems of the Soviet Union could be solved within the peaceful and orderly framework of perestroika and glasnost. "In the meantime, we as an international community must hold the new Soviet leadership to their early statements which indicate their intentions to implement the Conventional Forces in Europe treaty, the START treaty and the continued phased withdrawal of troops from Eastern Europe. Above all, there must be no return to the expensive and unstable era of the Cold War. "With grave concern for the people of the Republics of the Soviet Union, we will be watching closely as this crisis unfolds." From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:42:48 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:42:30 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:30:05 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!ig!cleveland.freenet.edu!ai260 From: ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu ("J. Fisher") Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Gorbachev is still worth more alive. Message-Id: <9108200546.AA02643@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 20 Aug 91 05:46:54 GMT Sender: news@presto.ig.com Reply-To: ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu Lines: 23 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO Mon Aug 19 1991 In article <3F0B4F9D40E09E18@vax1.umkc.edu> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" writes: ]The fall of Gorbachev is indeed grave news, but I seriously doubt letters or ]much else will help. He is out, and I suggest his successors will either have ]to exile or kill him before the business is done. VMS I doubt that Pugov et. al. will kill Gorbachev, a man who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. They may be desparate, but I hope they're not that stupid. They've already lost enough credibility around the world without murder too. Secondly, they may need him later (and realize it); if they find that things are getting out of control and after some months cannot be reigned in, they may decide to bring him back, reinstall him (with conditions), just to restore order. JF ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu -or- ai260%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm May you not live in times of change. --Chinese proverb From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:43:22 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:43:05 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:30:20 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!ig!cleveland.freenet.edu!ai260 From: ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu ("J. Fisher") Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Re: U.S. ambassador to the USSR Message-Id: <9108200639.AA23389@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 20 Aug 91 06:39:02 GMT Sender: news@presto.ig.com Reply-To: ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu Lines: 32 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO Mon Aug 19 1991 sharon%UNIXLAND.NATICK.MA.US@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg) ************************************************************** Not particularly comforting to realize that the U.S. doesn't even have an ambassador in the Soviet Union in the middle of these momentous events! Matlock retired; Bush's appointed successor will be sworn in Tuesday. I thought when he was announced, business/financier/wheeler-dealer Bob Strauss was a bad choice: The man knows nothing about the Soviet Union! But his supporters said it was good to send a businessman who will be able to bring the entrepreneurial spirit to the USSR, and has the full personal confidence of the president. I say sending a guy who doesn't know anything about the country into an incredibly sensitive political situation like the one now unfolding in the Soviet Union is ASKING FOR TROUBLE. Who knows what he'll say without meaning to that will send some horribly wrong signals? ************************************************************** I agree. In my opinion, this appointment was for domestic consumption. In addition to being business/financier/wheeler-dealer, Bob Strauss was a former Campaign Director for the Democratic Party. (Anyone remember the Republican organization, Democrats for Nixon?) JF ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu -or- ai260%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm May you not live in times of change. --Chinese proverb From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:43:55 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:43:38 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:30:25 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!ig!cleveland.freenet.edu!ai260 From: ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu ("J. Fisher") Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Re: We Must Rescue Gorbachev !!! Message-Id: <9108200515.AA00703@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 20 Aug 91 05:15:26 GMT Sender: news@presto.ig.com Reply-To: ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu Lines: 24 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO Mon Aug 19 1991: In <45796@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: > So how about it? Is there anything we can do to help? > If it involves writing letters, please include addresses. Oleg Vishnepolsky: > Yes, there is. Support peace through strength. Write your > congressman that you believe that US needs military strength > more than ever. No thank you. Military strength cannot and will never be a substitute for intelligence, understanding, and diplomacy. Especially in these days it should be abundantly apparent that what we all need is LESS military strength. JF ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu -or- ai260%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm May you not live in times of change. --Chinese proverb From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:45:05 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:44:46 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:30:42 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!ig!vax1.umkc.edu!CDELL From: CDELL@VAX1.UMKC.EDU ("VALENTINE M. SMITH") Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Soviet Bulletin #25 Message-Id: <0C24A63100A00C6B@vax1.umkc.edu> Date: 20 Aug 91 05:20:00 GMT Sender: news@presto.ig.com Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" Lines: 19 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO The Soviet people, and army, are apparently taking sides. As dawn breaks, at least one army unit went over to the "White House" (the Russian Federation building) to "protect Yeltsin" and be "on the side of the people." It is believed by many that the next 24 hours will be critical as the called for general strike does or does not unfold in the cities and towns of the USSR. While Cuba, Iraq, the PLO and Libya applauded the fall of Gorbachev, most of the rest of the world denounced or warned the Soviet coup leaders. NATO warned that the reform movement continue, Thatcher called Yeltsin the hope of the democrats, Reagan said it would depend on the people of the SU versus the bureaucracy, Bush called the coup "illegitimate," Kohl and Mitterand both reportedly demanded assurances of Gorbachev's safety, Major called the situation"ominous." The Baltics are called "quiet" at the midnight hour (CDT) though a man was reported killed in Riga by troops. In Lithuania, the Soviet Baltic Military district commander demanded Lithuanian police and militia surrender all arms. Though I have no idea whether I'm getting out, as links are down, my hopes and concerns lie with the people of the SU. Lastly, both ABC and CNN report Gorbachev has left the Crimea by plane for an undisclosed location. I hope the best, fear the worst. VMS From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:45:40 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:45:23 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:30:52 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!ig!cleveland.freenet.edu!ai260 From: ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu ("J. Fisher") Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Re: We Must Rescue Gorbachev !!! Message-Id: <9108200537.AA02090@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 20 Aug 91 05:37:53 GMT Sender: news@presto.ig.com Reply-To: ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu Lines: 22 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO Mon Aug 19 1991 In article <3F0B4F9D40E09E18@vax1.umkc.edu> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" writes: ]The fall of Gorbachev is indeed grave news, but I seriously doubt letters or ]much else will help. He is out, and I suggest his successors will either have ]to exile or kill him before the business is done. VMS JOHN%ANASAZ.BITNET@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (John Moore) replies: > Also, let's consider that Gorbachev, popular as he was here in > the west, commands only about 5% loyalty rating in the USSR. > Perhaps Yeltsin can help, but Gorby is just too unpopular. I would think... hope... that a lot of people, especially Soviets, appreciate Gorbachev more today than they did yesterday. JF ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu -or- ai260%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm May you not live in times of change. --Chinese proverb From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:46:48 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:46:31 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:32:08 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!news.funet.fi!cc.tut.fi!kapa From: kapa@ee.tut.fi (Kankaala Kari) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Tuesday morning news Message-Id: <1991Aug20.060029.24944@cc.tut.fi> Date: 20 Aug 91 06:00:29 GMT Sender: news@cc.tut.fi (USENET News System) Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 40 Originator: kapa@tesla.ee.tut.fi Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO Latest news (broadcasted by Finnish Tv stations and newagencies) tell that there are 180 tanks approaching Leningrad. There were about 100 tanks 100 kilometers away from Estonian capital Tallinn. This was about an hour ago (6 am GMT, 11 p.m. Eastern). Some eyewitnesses tell that the row of tanks was 9 kilometers long. The night has been peaceful in MOscow where some 2000 people have gathered to save the parliament house of the Russian Federation. In Baltic states, there has been activity all night long. Tanks have passed thru the street of Vilna and stayed somewhat north of the city. One person was killed in Riga, shot by a soviet soldier according to an eyewitness. Also, radio and tv-stations we occupied and closed down. In Tallinn, people have gathered around the tv station. Further news is expected when the tanks reach Tallinn and Leningrad. The Finnish-Soviet border is open, and there has not been any increased activity at the borders. Both car, train, truck, and air traffic to Soviet union has been going on normally. Also, tourists are travelling back and forth though many people have cut down the travel. Private phone calls were possible to Estonia at least yesterday. Analysts here seem to agree that the new committee in power will isolate Soviet Union from Europe and the West as opposed to the policy of opening during Gorbatchev era. However, all agree that is rtoo early to draw any definite conclusions, and even predict further actions of the ruling committee. In some analysis, the present head of KGB is seen as a possible strong man to take over in near future after this transition power. Speculations about Gorbatchev being given a formal position in the new government seems to be outruled. Some analysts speculate that this new regime could be more apt not to pay its foreign debts as it knows that it cannot win friends abroad (and thus no further loans are available) but it still needs to cut down its spendings and start shaping up the economy. UK, US and some international organisations have stopped its economic aid to Soviet union. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kari kankaala, center for scientific computing, espoo, funland kankaala@csc.fi, kankaala@finfun, fax+358-31-16 26 20, +358-0-457 2239 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:47:23 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:47:06 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:32:13 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!news.funet.fi!cc.tut.fi!kapa From: kapa@ee.tut.fi (Kankaala Kari) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Further news Message-Id: <1991Aug20.060515.25102@cc.tut.fi> Date: 20 Aug 91 06:05:15 GMT Sender: news@cc.tut.fi (USENET News System) Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 18 Originator: kapa@tesla.ee.tut.fi Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO o latest news (as from Finnish broadcast co's) - the phonecenters of both Latvia and Lithuania have been occupied by soviet military and troops of the minitry of interior - the miners in Russia, Ukrania, and Belorussia have started striking according to wishes of Yeltsin - Yeltsin calls the new regime "criminals" - during the night Gorbachev has been flown away from the Crimean to an unknown place. according to eyewitnesses -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kari kankaala, center for scientific computing, espoo, funland kankaala@csc.fi, kankaala@finfun, fax+358-31-16 26 20, +358-0-457 2239 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:47:55 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:47:39 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:33:11 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!news.funet.fi!uta!tijoma From: tijoma@uta.fi (Jorma M{ntyl{) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Radio in the USSR - monitoring report from Finland Message-Id: <3152@kielo.uta.fi> Date: 20 Aug 91 09:23:25 GMT Reply-To: tijoma@uta.fi (Jorma M{ntyl{) Organization: University of Tampere, Finland Lines: 43 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO Finland offers an excellent place to monitor broadcasts from the USSR as we are their closest neighbour. Here is a short summary of what I heard yesterday here in Tampere (receiver: Icom IC-R71E + long-wire antenna): -None of the new private stations could be heard; i.e. news about closing Radio Echo of Moscow seem to be correct. This station was heard daily here in Finland on 1206 KHz. It is possible that all private stations have been closed. -In the Russian Federation regional broadcasts seemed to be ceased. Only one national programme was aired on the normal main channels 171, 198, 234, 549 and 612 KHz. Serious music was played and announcers read declarations of the new junta. -Radio Leningrad 801, Radio Petrozavodsk 765 and Radio Kiev 4940 KHz also relayed this only national radio channel. -The foreign service of Radio Moscow is under the controll of hard-liners. -Lithuanian radio was not heard. -Latvian radio was heard with normal programming on 576, 1350 and 1422 KHz. Today (Aug. 20) the Finnish news-agency reported that army troops have occupied Latvian radio last night. I believe that this evening we'll hear declarations of the junta also from the Latvian radio which has now changed ownership. -Estonian radio was heard normally on 1035 and 5925 KHz with their programme in Finnish at 1500 UTC. I wonder if the normal Finnish and Estonian services are heard any more today. It seems that the junta is going to take over all media in the USSR, and the Estonian radio & tv station is now the last station still under the controll of local authorities. -No serious jamming noted. People in the USSR are able to hear Western radio stations. Finnish TV reported yesterday that people in Estonia and Vyborg region are watching Finnish TV as they don't believe in the declarations of the junta. #Jorma Mantyla #Univ. of Tampere #Finland From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:48:31 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:48:15 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:33:16 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!bronze!mossad.huji.ac.il!ury From: ury@mossad.huji.ac.il (ury segal) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Re: 20.08.91 11:45 Message-Id: <1991Aug20.115817.28801@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: 20 Aug 91 11:58:17 GMT Sender: news@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: mossad.huji.ac.il Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO > mOSKWA 20.08.91 11^AS. 45MIN. > oT ZDANIQ dOMA pRAWITELXSTWA rsfsr SOOB]ILI, ^TO > rQZANSKAQ, tULXSKAQ I tAMANSKAQ DIWIZII PERE[LI > NA STORONU PRAWITELXSTWA rOSSII. means that 3 devisions of the red army joined Yeltzin's side !!! --ury (ury@mossad.huji.ac.il) From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:49:39 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:49:23 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:33:52 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!news.funet.fi!cc.tut.fi!kapa From: kapa@ee.tut.fi (Kankaala Kari) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: GORBATCHEV BACK IN MOSCOW? Message-Id: <1991Aug20.100534.1966@cc.tut.fi> Date: 20 Aug 91 10:05:34 GMT References: <1991Aug19.060038.8804@agate.berkeley.edu> <1991Aug19.094232.16862@agate.berkeley.edu> <1991Aug19.111656.17387@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Sender: news@cc.tut.fi (USENET News System) Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 13 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO According to Finnish News Agencies, Gorbachev has been flown back to Moscow. This information comes from an aid to Boris Yeltsin. Apparently, Gorbatchev was flown to Moscow also last weekend to sign his resignation from but he refused to sign. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kari kankaala, center for scientific computing, espoo, funland kankaala@csc.fi, kankaala@finfun, fax+358-31-16 26 20, +358-0-457 2239 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:50:16 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:49:54 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:34:23 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!unixland!sharon From: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Re: U.S. ambassador to the USSR Keywords: Strauss Message-Id: <1991Aug20.123610.7039@unixland.natick.ma.us> Date: 20 Aug 91 12:36:10 GMT References: <1991Aug20.025853.2321@unixland.natick.ma.us> <1991Aug20.042858.12432@novell.com> Organization: The Think_Tank BBS & Public Access Unix Lines: 21 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO In article <1991Aug20.042858.12432@novell.com> tporczyk@novell.com (Tony Porczyk) writes: >sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg) writes: >>I say sending a guy who doesn't know anything about the country into an >>incredibly sensitive political situation like the one now unfolding in the >>Soviet Union is ASKING FOR TROUBLE. Who knows what he'll say without meaning >>to that will send some horribly wrong signals? > >Like what? Just curious. Well, like hinting we will support a popular uprising when we won't (ask the Kurdish leaders about that). Or perhaps somehow dropping a signal that the U.S. wouldn't really mind the new leadership "consolidating" power over restive republics to restore "stability" (ask the Yugoslav federal leadership about it; perhaps even Saddam Hussein believed a similar thing based on the signals he believes he got from the U.S. ambassador before invading Kuwait). Sharon -- Sharon Machlis Gartenberg Framingham, MA USA email: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us or uunet!think.com!unixland!sharon From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:50:49 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:50:31 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:34:41 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!agate!bionet!ig!stetson.bitnet!STEEVES From: STEEVES@stetson.bitnet Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: ARREST WARRANT FOR YELTSIN Message-Id: Date: 20 Aug 91 13:34:00 GMT Sender: daemon@presto.ig.com Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" Lines: 4 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO 8:30 AM NBC news just ran story that an arrest warrant had been issued for Boris Yeltsin. It's the first time I have heard it. From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:51:56 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:51:38 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:36:27 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!Dixie.Com!pjohn From: pjohn@Dixie.Com (Peter C. Johnson) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: Coup Order-of-Battle Summary: Military-Political Situation Message-Id: <21244@rsiatl.Dixie.Com> Date: 20 Aug 91 12:41:23 GMT Organization: Dixie Communications, The South's First Commercial Public Access Unix Lines: 34 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO Is anybody tracking Coup order-of-battle? The Tienanmien incident newsposts had a lot of info; I wonder if anybody is watching this. I mention it because it looks like military units are mutinying. CNN identified armor from the Taman Division, and two regiments of Airborne troops (one from Ryazan' and another I didn't catch) as initially enforcing the coup. Films last night showed Airborne troops (wearing striped _tel'nyashki_, flak vests, and driving BMD's) guarding the Russian Parliament. The implication was that they mutinied. (One year ago, the Soviet press stated that the Ryazan' Regiment had moved close to Moscow--a coup then looked ominous.) This morning, Radio Australia reported (9.580 MHz, 1100 UT) that Gen-Maj Grachev had allied himself with Yel'tsin. Grachev is the commander-in-chief of the Airborne Forces (VDV). The VDV have been a "politically reliable," high-risk force in the past. Grachev is young (43), and Hero of the Soviet Union (equiv of the Congressional Medal of Honor). He stated in January that the KGB and MVD should deal with the internal conflicts in the USSR--paratroopers aren't cops, in other words. If pro-Yel'tsin paratroopers fight the Interior Ministry (MVD) troops, this will be interesting--the commander of MVD troops is General Boris Gromov, charismatic former C-in-C of Soviet Forces in Afghanistan, also a Hero of the Soviet Union. Any more info? Pete Johnson pjohn@dixie.com From cri.dk!news Wed Aug 21 06:54:16 1991 remote from ddc Received: by sandes.cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:53:57 +0200 Received: by cri.dk; Wed, 21 Aug 91 02:39:25 +0200 Path: cri.dk!dkuug!sunic!mcsun!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!ulysses!grass From: grass@ulysses.att.com (Judith Grass) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet Subject: A message from Moscow Message-Id: <15358@ulysses.att.com> Date: 20 Aug 91 14:03:45 GMT Sender: netnews@ulysses.att.com Reply-To: grass@ulysses.att.com Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill Lines: 35 Apparently-To: ns@sandes.cri.dk Status: RO I was forwarded a message from a friend in Moscow this morning. I have translated it from the Russian, and here it is. I am omitting names as printing them would endanger my friends... This message was originally sent to another friend that emigrated from the USSR a couple of months ago. -- Judy Grass 15 florence Ave. Morristown, NJ 07960 (201) 984-3430 --------- the text ------------- You snuck out of here just in time. Here is just plain old shit. So far no one has been crushed by a tank, thank God. If these dogs win, for certain they'll throw all of us in prison - we distributed the proclamation from Yelstyn, and the Moscow and Leningrad Soviets throughout the entire Soviet Union, together with forbidden communiques from Interfax, which is also forbidden. By the way, I am fed up that this craziness will soon be extended to any newsgroup at all. Read talk.politics.soviet - we'll send everything there at the same time. Greetings from the underground --------- In Russian -------------- Ty vpolne vovryemya otsyuda slinyal... Tut sploshnoy shit. Poka nikogo tankom ne zadavilo i slava Bogu. Yesli eti sobaki pobyedyat nas sovershenno tochno vseh peresazhayut - my rassylali vozzvaniya ot Yel'tsina, Mos- i Lensoveta po vsemu Soyuzu vmeste s zapryeshyonnymi svodkemi zapryeshyonnogo Interfax-a. Vprochem ya nayeyus' eti pridurki nedolgo protyanut pri lyubom rasklade. Chitay talk.politics.soviet - my zaodno posylayem vse i tuda. Privet ot podpol'shikov.